tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post8202085828952869942..comments2024-03-19T21:41:42.835+01:00Comments on Poemas del río Wang: Khaled Nabi's cemeteryStudiolumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06377777909296284368noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-7423424131413616402010-10-13T16:33:12.053+02:002010-10-13T16:33:12.053+02:00Wonderful photos of an amazing site -- thank you s...Wonderful photos of an amazing site -- thank you so much for sharing them with those of us who will never have the opportunity to see them in person!<br /><br />As for sacred tombs and Islam, this is another example of one of the most distorting features of the contemporary approach that takes Arabian/Wahhabi Islam as the standard by which all varieties of Islam are measured (and mostly found wanting). The mixed/syncretistic variants of the religion that are followed by the vast majority of the world's Muslims (let us not forget that the country with the largest number of Muslims is Indonesia, where purist Wahhabi beliefs are still a distinct minority) are seen as "lax" or "deviant" or even "degenerate." (This of course has something to do with the vast financial resources expended by Saudi Arabia on propagating Wahhabism -- which is, let us also not forget, only a little over 200 years old.) It is the "lax" Muslims of Nigeria, Central Asia, Indonesia, etc., and their stubborn attachment to Sufi rituals, saints, tombs, etc., who represent the true face of today's Islam, not the repressive Wahhabis.languagehathttp://languagehat.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-5429031491172510322010-10-12T20:50:18.754+02:002010-10-12T20:50:18.754+02:00Thank you, Studiolum! I will try to find out more ...Thank you, <b>Studiolum</b>! I will try to find out more about these rams, and come back with a story. Thanks also for pointing at the amazing story of <i>Mollah Sadik</i>.Arazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14791220527752500079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-22808987344148249112010-10-10T15:26:45.662+02:002010-10-10T15:26:45.662+02:00Fantastic figures! Don’t you have some literature ...Fantastic figures! Don’t you have some literature about their history and art that you could summarize for Río Wang? They must have been known in Hungary as well, at least during the Turkish period (1526-1686) as it is attested by <a href="http://riowang.blogspot.com/2009/11/cemetery-visit.html" rel="nofollow">the legend of Mollah Sadik</a> (at the very end of that post).Studiolumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377777909296284368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-23928508010668171492010-10-07T21:16:09.498+02:002010-10-07T21:16:09.498+02:00Amazing photos, amazing post, Studiolum. Your note...Amazing photos, amazing post, <b>Studiolum</b>. Your note about ram shaped tombstones draw my attention again, because I have seen <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/11537676@N06/2568322079/in/photostream/" rel="nofollow">them</a> around from my childhood in Baku. Fighting white and black Rams are mythical personages in Azeri folklore (e.g. tale of Melik-Mehemmed) representing good and evil. But there were also two Turkic states in the history called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_Koyunlu" rel="nofollow">Garagoyunlu</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aq_Qoyunlu" rel="nofollow">Aghgoyunlu</a> meaning "black sheep" and "white sheep" correspondingly.Arazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14791220527752500079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-18158500729879395442010-10-07T10:32:20.752+02:002010-10-07T10:32:20.752+02:00what a place full of peace, silence, distance.
Th...what a place full of peace, silence, distance. <br />This place could be either the end or the beginning of the world.Effenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-15599177195263365612010-10-07T07:41:32.599+02:002010-10-07T07:41:32.599+02:00Yes, you’re right. Although a theologically educat...Yes, you’re right. Although a theologically educated Sunni will not really approve any pilgrimage to a tomb (not even to that of Mohamed in Mecca, although of course yes to the Kaba – just see what the Wahhabites did to the tombs of his relatives in the same city), there are a thousand exceptions from this theoretical ban, all established by some local tradition. In many places the cult of illustrious Sufi teachers may be a root, as it is both in Turkmenistan and in the Maghreb. Another root, as in Kerala or in Bosnia, may be the survival and/or adoption of previous religious customs (in Bosnia still in the first half of the 20th century rural Muslims regularly participated in pilgrimages to Marian shrines).Studiolumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377777909296284368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-91713969287577437332010-10-06T23:32:14.438+02:002010-10-06T23:32:14.438+02:00Beautiful, instructive post, as usual, but this:
...Beautiful, instructive post, as usual, but this:<br /><br />" However, the Turkmen population of northern Golestan is Sunni. <b>This confession theoretically condemns this type of “saint cult”, and they only go on pilgrimage to Mecca.</b> But the Turkmens, strangely, also visit a large number of holy tombs both in the local mountains and across the border, in Turkmenistan."<br /><br />made me think of Maghribi shrines, of course.Jesúshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10268951598384557189noreply@blogger.com