tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post2360198944689684320..comments2024-03-19T21:41:42.835+01:00Comments on Poemas del río Wang: The Armenian cemetery of JulfaStudiolumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06377777909296284368noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-18247556376338058772011-02-20T22:56:24.094+01:002011-02-20T22:56:24.094+01:00Thank you very much for the quoted article. It is ...Thank you very much for the quoted article. It is very reassuring to see such examples of the appreciation of others’ monuments, and it would be really good to know – and, if there is good documentation available, even report here in the blog – about more examples like this in either country.<br /><br />One can only hope that such restorations are done in a way that also satisfies the communities formerly using them, unlike for example the objectionable restoration of the church of Aghtamar. I mention this because a leaflet apparently published by the Azerbaijani Embassy in the U.S. (http://www.azembassy.us/new/War%20againsr%20Azerbaijan.pdf) refers to this restoration as “changing the architectural aspect” of the mosque and “replacing the Azerbaijani-Muslim elements with alien ones”, although without any further detail. The leaflet also lists a number of other former Azeri monuments destroyed in Karabagh, again without any closer detail (and I have to add that this is far the most detailed document that reports on such losses). It would be really good to know what the real situation is with them. It would be so pleasant to publish a post with an overview of them and proving their being in good conditions.Studiolumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377777909296284368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-13549077515360216702011-02-20T17:44:12.916+01:002011-02-20T17:44:12.916+01:00Dear Studiolum, thank you so much for reporting an...Dear Studiolum, thank you so much for reporting and shedding light on this.<br /><br />What I would like to comment on is what you wrote in response to the points Samir brought up. As you mentioned, there are no documented cases of similar destruction in Armenia. Why would that be? Quite simply, because Armenians have been living in those lands for thousands of years, and have no need to destroy the few-hundred-year-old heritage of any other nation (especially the Azerbaijani nation with less than 100 years of history -- not to be confused with Azeris of Iran) to erase the footsteps of any other culture ever having been there. If one side is destructive, it would only be a grave logical fallacy to automatically assume that the other side must be destructive as well (even despite the destructive side constantly propagandizing that this may be the case without any evidence).<br /><br />In fact, here's how Armenians treated the few mosques in Artsakh (Nagorno Karabakh):<br /><br />http://www.azatutyun.am/content/article/2223044.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-83334269692279121322010-12-18T10:56:34.094+01:002010-12-18T10:56:34.094+01:00Dear Samir. First of all let me make it unambiguou...Dear Samir. First of all let me make it unambiguous that the historical context of the events, as they are described here, might be imperfect or deficient, but certainly not biased. To that, a bias would be necessary which I do not have. Apart from what I wrote to you in our personal correspondence, it is enough to read the posts with the label “Azeri” to understand the very opposite.<br /><br />I am looking at the region from outside, with the impartiality and, of course, also with the inevitable ignorance of the outsider. I have been trying to make up for the latter, learning a lot about the region, including the languages spoken there. But I am certainly grateful for any additional information on and correction of what I wrote.<br /><br />In this post I focused on the painful loss of an extremely precious piece of historical heritage. And I was not interested in who committed it (note that I did not add the label “Azeri” to the post, and while mentioning the Azerbaijani army as effecters, I also pointed out that it was Azerbaijani and Nakhichevani persons who reported about the destruction).<br /><br />As to the news on Azeri cemeteries, mosques and villages destroyed and people chased away by the Armenian army, I am certainly willing to give place to them. What is more, I already have been looking for information on them over the web. The problem is that there are only scattered references (at least on the sites in English, Russian and Persian, as I am still not at the height of fluently reading Azerbaijani), and no well documented cases, in contrast to the case of Julfa. This is, I must say, a general deficiency of the Azerbaijani net. While you complain about Armenian propaganda, you do not give enough well documented international publicity to your standpoint, so an outsider is left to rely on whatever he finds on the net.Studiolumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377777909296284368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-69099704033700768442010-12-17T22:45:01.070+01:002010-12-17T22:45:01.070+01:00I've also discovered the blog approximately a ...I've also discovered the blog approximately a couple of months ago and from time to time by surfing within the blog I discover a lot of interesting things..Good job guys! :)<br /><br />I am originally from Nakhichevan and I am azeri or azeri turk. I condemn the vandalism against cemetery...<br /><br />But, I do believe that the historical context of the text is biased. Or at least I should say that there are some other versions of the described historical events...<br /><br />Dear owners of the blog...Please give a place to the same actions done in Armenia against azeri cemeteries..Or how Albanian churches in different parts of the Azerbaijan and Armenia were "converted" or manipulated to Armenian style (there are a lot of differences between Armenian Christianity and old Alban Christianity).<br /><br />Thanks in advance...<br /><br />samirSamir Huseynovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03712893304495430563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-55553303776408371362009-12-21T03:42:09.922+01:002009-12-21T03:42:09.922+01:00Hola. Hacía tiempo no encontraba un blog tan inter...Hola. Hacía tiempo no encontraba un blog tan interesante como el tuyo. <br /><br />Este artículo acerca del cementerio de Djufa me ha dejado boquiabierto.<br /><br />¡Gracias y por favor continua escribiendo!Jorgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07748292229287264872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-28322603034971094672009-07-09T16:23:27.434+02:002009-07-09T16:23:27.434+02:00C'est scandaleux. Si je comprends bien, cette ...C'est scandaleux. Si je comprends bien, cette destruction est due à la dominante musulmane du pays ? À moins que ce soit un reste d'anti-religiosité soviétique ? Ou alors il n'y a pas d'idéologie là-derrière, seulement de l'indifférence, ce qui serait en quelque sorte pire encore.<br /><br />Enfin, heureusement, il reste les photos, et puis si les morceaux ont été versés dans un talus, ou utilisés quelque part,l'on peut encore espérer que des archéologues futurs les retrouveront. Finalement, ce n'est pas si facile que cela de détruire entièrement quelque chose.Snorrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13799232888282710711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-77698575337493827182009-07-09T01:00:29.747+02:002009-07-09T01:00:29.747+02:00Merci beaucoup, Snorri.
Oui, cette partie du mon...Merci beaucoup, Snorri. <br /><br />Oui, cette partie du monde est absolument fascinant et peu connue en Europe. Comme j’aime beaucoup cette région et j’y voyage assez souvent, je vais en écrire plus dans des posts suivants.<br /><br />Quant à la place des débris, je ne suis pas sûr de l’endroit où ils ont pris fin. L’avant-dernière image représente un camion de les verser sur le talus de chemin de fer, mais toutes les sources écrivent qu’ils ont été enlevés pour être utilisés comme matériau de construction.Studiolumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377777909296284368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-82896918917249151412009-07-09T00:09:21.400+02:002009-07-09T00:09:21.400+02:00Hello, I have recently discovered your blog throug...Hello, I have recently discovered your blog through my friend.<br /><br />Thank you for such posts, they are very interesting, not to mention their rich iconography. This one, for instance, just shed light on an area too much ignored by historical studies as done in Europe.<br /><br />Here's to quality blogging, and to yours specifically, being indeed a rich food for thought. Not to mention, in the case of this article, a much-needed obituary (for a cemetary, how ironic). A shooting range... What a shame.<br /><br />Do you happen to know where the remains of the cemetary ended ? I should hope they did not throw them away...Snorrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13799232888282710711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-31346348609748221282009-07-03T22:51:29.720+02:002009-07-03T22:51:29.720+02:00See also: The Destruction of Jugha and the Entire ...See also: <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/12781417/Armenian-Jugha" rel="nofollow">The Destruction of Jugha and the Entire Armenian Cultural Heritage in Nakhijevan.</a> A documentation submitted to Unesco, October 2006.Studiolumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377777909296284368noreply@blogger.com