tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post6682761898039854727..comments2024-02-28T16:53:27.515+01:00Comments on Poemas del río Wang: Chronicler of the CaucasusStudiolumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06377777909296284368noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-31954102450718085332023-09-08T07:31:51.766+02:002023-09-08T07:31:51.766+02:00Hi Caroline. Yes, of course, I am willing to help ...Hi Caroline. Yes, of course, I am willing to help if I can. Write me at wang@studiolum.com .Studiolumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377777909296284368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-83930138993871958722023-09-07T17:30:12.703+02:002023-09-07T17:30:12.703+02:00Thank you very much for such a wonderful article a...Thank you very much for such a wonderful article and for sharing these beautiful photos. This is a stab in the dark, as I know this is years later. I am currently translating an article on early Georgian photographers and, because the names of French and German photographers working there are written in Cyrillic script (mainly from Russian newspapers), I am anxious to get them right in Latinised script. I am wondering if you can help me with a few of these. Thank you, CarolineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-69238305967478697162015-05-13T16:29:23.540+02:002015-05-13T16:29:23.540+02:00Hey Studiolum. This is a great collection! I was w...Hey Studiolum. This is a great collection! I was wondering if you could tell me where you found the two pictures of the Kurds in Russian service. <br /><br />Thank you.<br /><br />NicoAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09759427497856671689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-57342940117817210322012-02-01T22:24:58.757+01:002012-02-01T22:24:58.757+01:00I recently bought a cabinet card by the Eglish Stu...I recently bought a cabinet card by the Eglish Studio" in Azerbaijan. I date it to 1900 -1910. It shows four engineers at a table. In the background is a blackboard with some calculations on it. I am curious to know if anyone has heard of the English Studio/One Mans Treasurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03526325427388075984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-38916017063306677212010-11-09T16:44:19.082+01:002010-11-09T16:44:19.082+01:00Thank you, Ralph. I have been following your fasci...Thank <i>you,</i> Ralph. I have been following your fascinating blog for a long time, and I have learned from it a lot. I feel really honored by the appreciation of a person who has done so much in and for the South Caucasus as you did.Studiolumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377777909296284368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-9199142816315454072010-11-09T16:01:05.642+01:002010-11-09T16:01:05.642+01:00Thanks for this great post ... more to the Southca...Thanks for this great post ... more to the Southcaucasus can you find on my blog!!<br /><br />http://georgien.blogspot.comRalph Hälbighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06951832615199463986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-67261378121712671822010-11-06T22:51:04.187+01:002010-11-06T22:51:04.187+01:00Thank you for considering my remarks, Studiolum. L...Thank you for considering my remarks, <b>Studiolum</b>. Late 80s and 90s were really difficult times for Tbilisi with a full scale civil war erupting there. Many Azeris also left the city at that time. As for the "eggs", unfortunately baby chickens hatched out from these eggs have grown up and laid new eggs already. <br />I have read your post again, thank you again for a beautiful story and fascinating images, and the map would be great. Check out <a href="http://i052.radikal.ru/0806/63/b58e931aa8df.gif" rel="nofollow">this JPG image</a> or <a href="http://hotfile.com/dl/49224417/a52c81f/1887_Plan_Tifis.pdf.html" rel="nofollow">this PDF file</a>.Arazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14791220527752500079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-88303832238075391952010-11-06T16:12:46.395+01:002010-11-06T16:12:46.395+01:00Amazing pictures, and I look forward to more of th...Amazing pictures, and I look forward to more of them. How absurd and sad that such a remarkable collection has been essentially forgotten for almost a century! I hope there are a decent number of surviving images. Also, I look forward to the fin-de-siècle map of old Tiflis; old city maps are one of my favorite things!Languagehathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285708503881129380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-25838814107822430852010-11-06T09:28:41.092+01:002010-11-06T09:28:41.092+01:00Well, now, having read Prince Chavchavadze’s eloqu...Well, now, having read Prince Chavchavadze’s eloquent apology (whose fascinatingly solemn Georgian formulas come through even in the Russian translation), I understand better where the eggs are laid. I did not know about this dramatic chapter of Armenian-Georgian relations. When I was in Tbilisi, in the late 80s and in the 90s, the Armenian population of the town was already, so to say, in defensive, gradually emigrating to Russia and Armenia, and their former houses and monuments in decay.<br /><br />And of course the ethnic composition of a major trading center as Tiflis does not say anything either about its beginnings or about the ethnic relations of the country. The sharp difference between the ethnic composition of a city and its surroundings is quite well known in my region as well. The fact that I myself have already written about <a href="http://riowang.blogspot.com/2010/09/autumn-in-lwow.html" rel="nofollow">pre-1939 Lwów</a> as a major Polish city and about <a href="http://riowang.blogspot.com/2010/02/lucus-non-lucendo.html" rel="nofollow">pre-1900 Budapest</a> as a great German city, does not mean they were not surrounded by a sea of Ukrainian and Hungarian population, respectively, and especially does not exclude their being founded by the King of Galichina and the King of Hungary.Studiolumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377777909296284368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-9602367267660882072010-11-06T06:41:06.441+01:002010-11-06T06:41:06.441+01:00Thanks for explanations, Studiolum. I have noticed...Thanks for explanations, <b>Studiolum</b>. I have noticed your noble intention of emphasizing the beauty of the multiethnic character of Caucasus and especially Tiflis. Even though I would agree with the rest of your arguments, I am afraid the first sentence not mentioning Georgians <i>is</i> misleading. The reason why it is "like walking over eggs" <a href="http://www.amsi.ge/istoria/somx/kamni.html" rel="nofollow">was written back in 1902</a> by Georgian intellectual, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilia_Chavchavadze" rel="nofollow">Ilya Chavchavadze</a>. Even in 1897 according to the results of the first census in the Russian Empire, after dramatic demographics changes due to the administrative status of Tiflis, although not in the city itself, Georgians were the majority in <a href="http://demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/emp_lan_97_uezd.php?reg=524" rel="nofollow">the greater Tiflis <i>uyezd</i></a> (Georgian 80.3K, Armenian 57.9K, Russian 55.4K, Tatar (Azeri) 13.8K, German 5.4K, Polish 4.9K, Greek 4.6K, Persian 1.8K, Osetian 1.7K and French only 0.3K) and they were an absolute majority in the whole Tiflis <i>gouvernement</i>.Arazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14791220527752500079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-50720605299029673452010-11-05T22:13:55.706+01:002010-11-05T22:13:55.706+01:00Thank you for the corrections, Araz, which are ind...Thank you for the corrections, Araz, which are indeed justified. However, let me explain myself. The omission of Georgians was not an underestimation of their percentage or role in Tiflis itself (although it was certainly not as important as it is today), but it followed from the main point of the – perhaps confusingly long – sentence in which I emphasized the presence of “foreign” nations with ethnic links to other countries which contributed to the role of Tiflis as a bridge between various countries of the West and East. Georgians in this sense were only a bridge to the countryside (if we do not consider the international aristocracy and the small emigration which in itself would have not made Tiflis the mediator city it was).<br /><br />The list of the nations followed, to my intentions, not their statistical or cultural importance, but the alphabet, with the addition of the more recent German and French “guests” to the end.<br /><br />Mirza Jalil, as far as I understand, was from an Azeri family from the Iranian Khoy, even if he himself was born in Nakhchivan – here I emphasized his Iranian roots to underline the same international atmosphere as above (as in fact these roots facilitated him to continue his activity in Persia when circumstances were momentarily unfavorable in Russia). By specifying the language of <i>Molla Nasreddin</i> as “Turkish” instead of “Azeri”, I simply followed the consensus of the period before Atatürk’s linguistic reforms, which considered them as two dialects instead of two separate languages. And you’re right, the term “in Turkish and Russian” does not say anything about the proportion of the two languages in the journal (which you have already precised in the cited post): with this I again wanted to hint to its multinational character only.<br /><br />Buff, I experience once more that speaking about the Caucasus and neighboring regions, even with the best intentions, is like walking over eggs… I hope to gradually learn this particular choreography.Studiolumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377777909296284368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4565845984512808077.post-12739012723865020782010-11-05T21:22:26.322+01:002010-11-05T21:22:26.322+01:00A beautiful collection, Studiolum, thank you for b...A beautiful collection, <b>Studiolum</b>, thank you for bringing these all together! After a quick look I should make few corrections though: probably your unconcealed sympathy towards Armenian culture was the reason why you forgot Georgians in Tiflis. Tiflis was and is first of all a Georgian city with its oldest fortresses and churches. Also the sequence of ethnic groups do not reflect their numbers at that time (towards the ends of 19th century). <br /><br />Couple of notes regarding <i>Molla Nasreddin</i> are: the expression "Iranian Azeri" used for Mirza Jalil the founder of this satirical magazine. To not confuse the reader, if we use a modern terminology, he is just Azeri ("Iranian Azeri" is used for Azeri majority living in Iran) and he was not an Iranian. Also the language of this magazine was Azerbaijani (not Turkish in a modern meaning). Besides it was not published in Russian - Russian was used for small remarks or for captions of caricatures.<br /><br />As I noted, Azeris, that is Azerbaijani Turks were called as "Tatars" or "Persians" by Russians and as "Turks" by Persians. I once wrote about confusion between Persian and from Persia, as well as between Turkic and Turkish.Arazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14791220527752500079noreply@blogger.com